Buzzed 300-1200 times daily by ~7tonnes of aircraft containing an ape learning to fly over your home from 0700 till 11PM?
Well, there is about 200-300 complaints registered by over 50 different complainants every quarter continuously being ignored…
Many do not even know where to register a complaint, if so freecall 1800 802 584, as often as you like.
Welcome to our blog exposing another one of our States’ grubby secrets – this one that has sold the amenity rightfully belonging to many thousands of family homes, built by people working years of their lives paying for it, trashed just to benefit particular foreign interests. And yes, I am one of the many adversely afflicted, living miles from the aerodrome for nearly 50 years, and am absolutely disgusted what’s happened to our area over the past 15 years. Progress they dare claim, adding to their shame, while they destroy the environment of about 20,000 homes, handicapping the less fortunate with their children, because it is State policy not to measure the unnecessary noise of endless training flights. The massive volumes of training flights (up to 2000 air movements per day) need not to occur over residential Parafield. Over 99% of the Parafield cadets are not from Australia, they can do their practical flying anywhere outside of our residential areas. But no, it is done in the middle of a city, merely to suit the convenient lifestyle for their students and instructors, at the expense of our health, well-being and financial property value.
How and why does this lunacy happen? Well firstly there is a lot of money to be made, and these inconsiderate polluters don’t want to be inconvenienced by appropriate remoteness. In fact, if they can urbanely entrench themselves enough they may be able to sue the State (that’s us) for compensation & relocation costs, after they cause a public health problem that can no longer be ‘managed’ (that’s PR speak for being ignored). The money would be there in the rapidly appreciated land value of the airfield they do not own, but lease. That is probably why large scale flying schools only seem interested in popular areas of rapid regional growth. Beware Mandura, Maryborough-Hervey Bay, Townsville just to name a few. What’s wrong with places like Woomera?
The Queens money is behind a lot of this strategic secure investment. Much of it is behind dodgy companies like BAE, all part of global tax schemes strategically selling security, promoting aviation selling more aircraft requiring crews of pilots adding to their sale contracts milking ‘developing’ countries. Parafield is part of the pilot learners’ course. Since the mid 1990’s hundreds of annual inexperienced first-time flyers wing over tens of thousands of homes, many homes first built there during the 1950’s - how clever is that? I suppose Queen and aviation lovers think there is no problem, but nobody is measuring the pollution. Colonisation in this manner has destroyed my home amenity, and adversely impacted our neighbourhood, losing many naturally gifted people forced to move out because of intolerable incessant aircraft noise. Sadly their polluted homes generally become inhabited by the less fortunate, often less literate, whose children would be more disadvantaged and consequentially they are even more easily ignored.
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Interesting angle, dynastic colonial strategic investment - there is an old saying that by following the money one gets closer to the truth. You are not the only ones sold out by South Australian government. We live on the Salisbury Highway that was not planned to be directly connected to the Port when we built our homes, remember the large green belts, now Mawson Lakes? Traditionally that was the area where most recreation flying occurred, not so now. At times the noise from the Salisbury Hellway is so bad, they learn to fly helicopters along it hoping we don’t notice them! Our EPA & State Government also does not want to know about our degraded environment, on or above the ground. They don’t want to be distracted from wine tasting with pubic relations consultants while we genuinely suffer to fund them. Hope more victims find this blog and speak out.
AR OH
Disgusting we agree. Here is a short summary from the WHO (that our Govts apparently subscribe to)about the adverse health affects of noise. Please share it with other residents along that "Hellway".
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgg4nzb_0gszw7bgq
Local Council elections are happening soon, maybe we can encourage Candidates, along with our 'Environmental Pollution licensing Authority' to understand what basic human environmental health standards mean! (I assume they are supposed to look after humans...)
At last, a webplace sharing common experience about flight training at Parafield! Here is how we are ‘managed’ by reckless Governments sanctioning a half a million unnecessary aircraft movements in the middle of a vast urban area. You may have read this, if not, click the link below for how we are ‘managed’ by various Authorities avoiding responsibilities they were entrusted with. It may help the new or unwary towards anticipating what to expect, and perhaps save them a lot of, ‘getting stuffed around’ time. Another nice area where people are trashed for so called ‘growth’ by this proxy/poxy/pokies place. Now that Roxby royalties are on the horizon, do you think anything will change around Salisbury? Certainly the State doesn’t need the damn flying nuisance now, and yes, the airport operators are pushing more helicopters over homes.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgg4nzb_1f78t2wcd
Good Luck, will be happy to participate with Civil proceedings when ready…
R Young
Hi, just to let you know the Salisbury Council's view:
http://cweb.salisbury.sa.gov.au/manifest/servlet/page?pg=12347
Or, just in case Salisbury Council removes their page, (now that Mr Zappia has become a MP), here is another link to the same publication:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgg4nzb_10f2v7rrdc
Like your pictures! We have over 100 scanned newspaper clippings of Parafield Residents expressing their tourment by writing to the local paper if anyone is interested.
They date from when the 'Australian Aviation Academy', then BAE, changed to Flight Training Adelaide (now owned by a Honkers company) commenced in the early 1990's.
Just ask for Ramon at stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com
Hundreds of households have suffered because of this unconscionable allowance of reckless foreign polluting investment over residential Salisbury. It is estimated for every letter written, there may be up to 200 people adversely affected that do not write. State and Federal Governments know this yet continue to ignore our Local Government’s, (now representing ~120,000 citizens), concerns. To demonstrate the scale of the public nuisance we are in the process of listing a sample of newspaper clippings on the website:
http://sites.google.com/site/parafieldairport/Home/newspaper-clippings-1
All other written information is welcome, confidentiality is respected, please sent to:
stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com
Like the paper comments, slick PR & a good insight how to get free advertorials!!!
Imagine, how to consult the community that they train engine failures over their homes, as a careers choice!!!
That is obscene, depraved and disgusting. Thousands of apologies should be sought for all those innocent families affected by such needless pollution. The airport would be bankrupt many times over if a smidgen of compensation was won. I should know as I'm an administrator in aviation. Fine the irresponsible policymakers, reckless airport operators or authorise Australian Defence department to use those annoying pesky foreign trainers for target practice.
Wow what a sickening tale. How can the very governments that I thought represent the people, us, and its interests sell us out for money hungry highly intelligent investor manipulators. Come on SA Govt and Fed Govt what about looking out for the common person who helps keep the country going. Get back to basics and make and enforce laws that protect us from the greedy few who care nothing less than their own interests. Please wake up to the con artists who in their suits and ties, speak about jobs to be created and lots of money for the governments and people. They are outsmarting our own governments.They often have large amounts of money in order to hire/ recruit the best and smartest minds to formulate their strategic plans. Plans that ultimately take money away from us and leave behind a wake of despair and pain.
Good ya mate, you had the courage and intelligence to put up this blogg . I think its time for the people to take control of this country again and begin to make decisions that are life giving rather than life taking! Ps. For all those who are not up to date with it all, people who bought and built houses 6 km away from the airport did not have the flight paths and training schools established at Parafield at that time. Furthermore as with all businesses, if any business has the potential to cause a nuisance to the local government or its neighbouring people the business would not be allow to operate. So ask yourself this question, has does something on this magnitude get the OK?
At last I have found a website dealing with this huge problem. I will now pass it on to other long term residents of Salisbury who are beside themselves putting up with this daily and constant noise.
I have had the occasional letters printed dealing with this problem and then have suffered abuse either by return letters in the paper or anonymous letters sent to my home. I don't care as they only stir me up to write more of the truth.
What really concerns me, beyond the noise, is that the aviation industry is responsible for 10% of the effects of Climate Change, and with the prospect of oil becoming obsolete in the near future, what is the point of training thousands of new pilots when soon they will all be out of a job.
I wrote to Mark Butler soon after his election in November. It took him 6 months to reply and all I was presented with was the Labor policy on noise - whether there should be a curfew at airports or not. What a copout! I wrote back but as yet, 3 months later, have not received a reply.
Isn't it wonderful to be a politician, represent the local people and don't live anywhere near this noise.
September, 2008
Noise is a principal issue from flying aircraft/helicopers, but please also bear in mind the poisonous effects of the many Toxic pollutants emitted by aircraft both on the ground and in the air. Internal combustion engines do not burn 100% of fuel.
Noise and toxic fuel emissions from aircraft present compelling argument that Parafield is a totally unsuitable site to locate both residents and a flying school. One of them should be relocated.
Aviation also imposes air toxics on the residents living beneath flying flying aircraft. To view go to the Toxic pollutants emitted by aircraft a reference at the Wikipedia site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas describing the uses of Tetra Ethyl lead (TEL) especially its deadly toxicological effects on those exposed to TEL from ambient air emissions.
Information about Octane levels can also be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
You bunch of whingeing idiots. Why don't you just jump on the ill-imformed fanatic bandwagon.
Ever heard the saying - "don't come to me with the problem, come to me with the solution"? What would you propose. We live in a country/world (yes many students at Parafield are not Australian citizens.... but we are all part of a golbal community) that has people who like to travel, who like to receive their mail in day rather than next week, that relies on international commerce etc. etc. and guess what? There are not enough pilots to support these industries that rely on aircraft. There are a few exceptional training centres in the world for pilots (because this is an industry where consistency in training standards in crucial) and Parafield is one of those centres.
Parafield was established in the 1920's. In the 30's it was a centre of regular transport to Melbourne, Perth and Sydney. During WWII it was used to train RAAF pilots. Parafield only became a 'secondary' airfield in the late 50's when its role changed to focus primarily on training and aircraft services.
I'm not saying that just because of it's history you should leave it alone... but that's part of it. Where else should it be? Yes part of it's benfit to students is it's location, what is wrong with that? Universities are in the cities for that reason. You probably live near your place of employment for convenience. How convenient would it be to pick Parafield up and place it down in someone else's lap. IT WAS THERE BEFORE YOU MOVED IN! It's not the fault of the pilots trying to perfect their trade that you've changed your mind about a decision you made.
AND, it's not the Governments fault. Yes there's risks... WTF do you want? You live by a major road, you live by industrial areas, you live in a high crime area, you live by an airport?!
Half of you people could live in a beautiful tree-lined quiet neighbourhood and you'd be just as fanatical over the quality of the footpaths and your neighbours trees shading your lawn too much. Thankfully sensible people don't really pay too much attention to fanatics.
It's only because I've stayed up late planning the details of my next suburb terrorising flight over your house that I'm tired enough to ramble on.
And, by the way, if you live in Salisbury/Elizabeth it's not Parafield bugging you - it's actually Edinburgh. Their airspace doesn't allow training flights over those suburbs except for a very narrow 'passageway' that leads from Parafield off-shore to St Kilda. Mawson Lakes residents might cop it.... but you knew what you were moving in to.
SPAN Moderator D:
We regularly receive material praising, criticising or even abuse this blog, but do not add new knowledge already contained within the blog’s links. Being at risk of being alleged of being too biased, above is a submission that typically encompasses sentiments of the Parafield Aviation Fraternity.
For more viewpoints please visit The Messenger News Review’s articles’ comments about Parafield at:
http://news-review-messenger.whereilive.com.au/news/story/some-plane-talking/
http://news-review-messenger.whereilive.com.au/news/comments/departure-plan-for-parafield1/
To Comments from Dale Murcoombe
Very interesting to hear from one of the terrorists who regularly hoon through the skies. I know people in Salisbury who are affected and also in Salisbury Downs so yes the trainees do fly over those areas ad nauseum.They have FTA markings so it is not RAAF/ Edinburgh.Stop trying to spread lies. We don't have a problem with an occasional RAAF plane but the constant level of noise and harassment from Parafield's trainees is not going to be tolerated. Go and fly somewhere isolated where you will not affect the health of residents.
The history of Parafield Airport would remain even if the trainee pilots moved elsewhere.
over the last few days, things seem to be getting louder!
Its saturday at 9am and there are 4 of them doing circles.....DO SOMETHING
Apart from news that the Mayor is saying that it is time for the airport to **** off (see http://messenger-news.whereilive.com.au/news/story/time-parafield-airport-buzzed-off-salisbury-mayor/)
I think that once this current financial/economic crisis really bites, there will be fewer flights overhead as flight schools go out of business and it becomes too expensive to train to be a pilot.
DISCLOSURE: I live in Mozzie Lakes and it is 2 minutes to 11 at night and this bloody plane has been doing bog-laps in the sky for what seems like the last hour.
Hi
For an eloquent summary of the way self-interest conspirators have manipulated the responsible Government Departments, to the detriment of Salisbury and Mawson Lakes residents, follow this link to Jon Anderson's submission to the federal government.
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/nap/files/ANDERSEN_Jon.doc
Who read the recent letters to the Messenger about moving Parafield airport?
The letters are here:
http://newsreviewmessenger.whereilive.com.au/news/comments/departure-plan-for-parafield1/
In their paper, the News said that opinion was equally divided. Ha!
Count those individuals for and against and the statistics are:
Want the Flight School to go = 32
Want the Flight School to stay = 7
Three people said they want the Airport to stay. I imagine that most of the 32 people who want the Flight School removed, wouldn't mind if the airport stayed either, but if loosing the airport was the price of getting rid of the FTA, then so be it.
Anyone with political ambition would win the next local election by a landslide if they could identify and remove those who have caused so much distress to so many for the financial benefit of a few greedy individuals.
Fred Firth
Spot on Fred,
The seat of Ramsay contains Parafield Airport, Premier Mike Rann holds this seat, although he lives in Norwood.
Anybody successfully registering to represent Ramsay before the next state election, who seriously supports the public health of Ramsay residents by campaigning to rid it of incessant flight training, will win over the current status quo.
Think about it Premier Rann, if you want to remain Premier
Doc Argus
Very interesting material here, and it is hardly surprising that Airservices pro-aviation Cronies do not truly measure noise. Noise and adverse health effects are well known, they used noise in torture centres like Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay. Condoning the pollution from Parafield stinks of high level corruption protecting minority interests while betraying working taxpaying people, from their rightful amenity.
What amazes me is the fact that one individual, in Parafield’s case it is 90% likely to be an 18 to 22 year old Chinese kid learning to fly, disturbs/intruds pollutes over an estimated 50,000 Australian permanent residents per circuit – Parafield is averaging about 500 of such aircraft movements per day!!! It is sickening.
Another thing, the “Incidents” (or “Occurrences” as they like to downplay it), is actually more like 20 to 30 per week from this volume of flight training. This is known amongst those who work in that pilot licence ‘sausage factory’, but of course that do not get in the transport safety bureaus’, or anybody else’s’ records!!!
Parafield Airport Limited (PAL) has submitted their Master plans for public 'Consultation'.
Aussies Against Aviation Academies Over Communities (AAAAFOC) have taken a keen interest focusing on Parafield’s flying circus. They have put forward about fourty very relevant questions to PAL during their Master Plan consultation process. To our knowledge they have not received any reply that resembles a satisfactory answer. We believe John McArdle is representing PAL while corresponding with AAAAFOC.
This is hardly surprising to us. It is typical of the state of affairs in many deregulated, or outsourced responsibility and risk within Australian Governance.
Would anybody feeling dissatisfied regarding PAL public 'consultation' please share their experiences with us? We wish to collate more evidence that public consultation with PAL about Parafield Airport, is inadequate.
Please email Ramon at:
stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com
I've managed to take some images of aircraft overflights doing circuits using a telephoto lens. One of the craft shows its registration number on the underside of the wing partly painted over by "design" paint work. The last letter of the registration is illegible. But it just barely resolves on the computer when enhanced. Is this legal? Can aircraft owners obscure any part of their aircraft's registration number so that it can not be read?
We believe displaying aircraft registration numbers is mandatory, (otherwise they wouldn't bother), and there would be design rules applicable to its viewability by the naked eye, from a certain height.
We have written to Airservices, Casa, and CASA’s aircraft registration number issuer ‘CLARC’ for clarification months ago, but what appears a typical aviation behaviour of looking after ‘their own’, have not yet received any meaningful reply…
Welcome to 2010,
SPAN Moderator B
i moved to Para Hills in 1989 and since then have had to endure the increase in aircraft noise and pollution. I have left several comments on the free 1800 number, with no reply forthcoming. Over the 2009 christmas holiday period, it was extremely noisey. I rang the free number they were on holidays, so unaware of the noise. I rang FTC and they didn't want to know me. Anyway enough of the problems we all know them who live in these areas. I am frustrated with the lack of respect we are tax paying residents are shown by the casa and ftc or the government. The skies were full of aircraft, too many every 2-3 minutes, and still are today. I believe they fly too low, too long early am to late pm with people who are on their "L's". Over houses with families living their lives. To me I am no expert on statistics, all I know is, its too noisy too close to residential properties and an accident waiting to happen. Read the headlines, Parafield Airport Air crash into the roof of some poor person's home. Hope to God, its not mine. Bec
In this location the noise is more of a nuisance than a grave matter. Since we moved here only a good three years ago, everybody would say we knew about it - not really. We knew about an airport for small planes but not about the assembly line of learner pilots. People would say we should have known, but in the suburb 17 kms away where we were, Parafield was not a matter of discussion.
I find the suggestions that people should move if they do not like it, an insult, because the strength of air and noise pollution from Parafield devalues their houses by 20 to 30 %, so it would be impossible for some people to buy a house elsewhere for what they get.
Moving the airport to where fewer people are affected would obviously be best, but I doubt it can happen before the Adelaide Airport Corporation wants to cash in on the land value, which could be a while.
Airport noise is a federal matter and complaining to police, local, or State politicians is a waste of time, because they cannot do a thing about it.
Since there will be federal elections this year, the federal members of Parliament for the area should be targetted with those complaints, about each and every event with time, photo and plane ID number as far as that is legible. Some of the planes are a lot noisier than others, and revoking these particular licenses is a reasonable demand. Those who are really affected should print out forms of complaint letters to their federal member with the suggestion to revoke that plane's license. Just fill in the time and plane's details into these forms. Then keep a list of these complaints.
When the candidates come along later in the year to get your vote, you say 'I have sent you ....... complaints, and you have not bothered to take my grievance seriously' (assuming the usual practice of not replying).
Don't go for the closure just yet, just for 'deleting' the really noisy ones. Only when the FEDERAL members have fear they will lose their seats, will there be some action.
I’m sad for newcommers to parts of Salisbury. The State and real estate agents profiteer out of a sad churn, while contributing zilch to improving the severely degraded amenity they abusively gain from. Grave matter, well, relentless imposed noise pollution sure is.
Suggesting people to move from their Community after first contributing many years creating and establishing it, for the mere convenience of a flying school, is VERY offensive. Still, local rags print offensive pro-aviation rubbish. Amazingly those small minded av-thugs are still breathing. Parafield’s surrounding Communities were established FIRST, decades before any mass foreign flight training academy! Mass flight training is the problem, hardly mentioned by friends of Parafield. Aviation, servicing local needs, is now all but displaced by foreign profiteers. Govt has ignored residents' plight since first noise and pollution complaints about Parafield’s flight training started. They either don’t care, or just don’t understand how severe the misery is living under this sort of extremely irritating noise pollution. Airport managers/operators certainly don’t want to know. Our 'Representatives' are yet to influence anything to reinstate our degraded environment. An anti flight training petition exceeding 2000 signatories was submitted to P DuncanMP ~20 years ago!
The incessant flight training noise pollution typically runs over ONE HUNDRED OVERFLIGHTS PER HOUR & IS NOT GOOD FOR ANYBODY! Even 10 disturbing overflights per hour is not just a nuisance, but for many living under flight paths is a SEVERE, CRIPPLING, easily PREVENTABLE public health problem. For many years this horrid pollution has deliberately NOT been properly measured by the 'responsible' Authorities (eg Airservices Australia). MPs are kept ignorant by Airservices & other pro-aviation/transport government Departments. A vocal profiteering corrupt minority constantly lobbies to maintain their selfish interests.
It’s true, due to the LACK of objective journalism/independent editors existing in the extensive pro-aviation ‘Murdoch-Newscorp’ China-pandering media, few know the true severely adverse effects of aviation noise pollution, (unless they live under it). That’s why SPAN, a fine group of caring people welcome all relevant material for publication about the disgusting situation around Parafield Airport. I hear SPAN’s unselfish efforts may have attributed saving Maryborough Qld from a similar fate, for now.
Hundreds of Australian Citizens have had to move out of Parafield since the 1980’s because of unmeasured pollution purely for foreign (mostly Chinese) interests’. The unbelievable rot perpetuates as Airservices with PAL & their Snot n Wankinson consultants continually try to find complex 'scientific' alternatives to NOT measure the obvious. They also do this by clouding up polluted water runnoff from the airfield, quoting ‘macrophyte studies’ instead of simply quoting pollutant concentration trends. There is a mob even claiming Heritage to grow Parafield Airport! How offensive is that to the Indigenous folk that used to thrive there! (That’s another obscured mind opening study beyond the scope of this blog)
NOBODY SHOULD BE LEARNING TO FLY OVER RESIDENTIAL AREAS, but we live in a corrupt place of plenty, attracting all the arrogant scum on earth ‘lobbying’ our ‘ignorant’ so called public Representatives to conveniently profit at our expense.
I hope the Senate Inquiry looking into Airservices identifies it as a despicable structure, systematically created to minimise aviation responsibility/compensation while destroying the home lives of thousands of Australians. Hopefully the Senate legislates recognition/compensation of the polluting aviation, and disassembles Airservices Australia. Reading the submissions, it’s clear that Airservices is a root cause perpetuating a nationwide problem, one that Airport Managers/Operators are quite happy to support.
Damn all the selfish legal filth and greedy scum involved.
Submissions towards the current Senate Inquiry into how useless Airservices Australia is towards responding to suffering residents can be found here:
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/rrat_ctte/aircraft_noise/submissions.htm
Go for it, this is the closest I have witnessed to our Govt taking relatively unimportant urban aviation pollution seriously..
SPAn mod M
What is interesting is that ASA complaints has been set up to stonewall victims of aircraft noise. They refuse to answer legal questions about rights. You can complain 'till the Mississippi runs dry and nothing will happen. The system is designed to fob you off. And the noise keeps on coming. I cannot stand to live in my own home any more. Thanks Jandakot and you selfish bunch of to$$ers. Have you noticed how Jandakot pilots always justify their existence in terms of Royual flying doctors, foreign exchange earnings and we were there first? Actually the Nyoongar folk were.
Sounds like a couple of volcanoes would be handy for you. Maybe one in Capital Hill, the other near that North Terrace King Bill St corner!
With all the hot air already there, only ash may make a difference.
I imagine how the people living around Heathrow and other airports polluting towns must be feeling atm. Their skies would be blissfully quiet for the first time in many many years! I hope they enjoy it while they can. Bout time aviation is put in its unsustainable elitist perspective.
We ended up moving after all. Within 6 years, the noise had increased exponentially that my spouse, who worked a lot from home, resorted to the occasional tranquiliser to make the noise bearable.
Fortunately, we moved to a more affluent, beach area although we do have a couple of investment properties that have not increased in value whatsoever.
More noise data on overflight noise
http://sites.google.com/site/parafieldnoise/home
Parafield Master Plan 2009 rejected,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/05/06/2891581.htm
should never have been passed in the past anyway, but have a say:
http://news-review-messenger.whereilive.com.au/news/story/airport-plan-hits-more-turbulence/
Meanwhile see what NZ considers (Airnoise boundary concept):
http://www.acoustics.asn.au/conference_proceedings/AAS2004/ACOUSTIC/PDF/AUTHOR/AC040029.PDF
Good news for Parafield! So the Govt refused their 2009 Master plan! PAL are accused of inadequate public consultation and misleading aircraft movements and noise pollution. Surprise surprise, this is not new. Howards Govt would have passed it like Anderson did in 2004!
Only twice in Oz aviation history this happened, the first was of all places, Canberra!
I'm so pleased some regognition is happening
Hi, just letting you know the Inquiry into the effectiveness of Airservices Australia’s management of aircraft noise will report soon:
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/committee/rrat_ctte/aircraft_noise/index.htm
I hope the rotten scum gets recognised!
This week (21.10.10) I received a glossy colour brochure from Parafield Airport in my weekly free newspaper. They will use this as community consultation in the future (probably the new master plan) to say that residents have been consulted.
Not true becuase this noise has been imposed on us especially in Salisbury and Salisbury Downs where most of the planes depart from. We have no say - how many complaints have we put in, how many MPs and submissions do we have to send to have a peaceful existence here?
The maps at the back of the brochure show where the planes fly but they seem to omit the noise dose of thousands of planes (some are very loud and often low) and helicopters as well. This is mostly for China and middle eastern pilots so people can have cheap fares and pollute our planet.
The only good thing is that they include the complaints number for Airservices so I hope they get deluged with complaints.
Even the asylum seekers will have a better life than us if they get accommodated in the peaceful Adelaide Hills while we suffer the drone of training aircraft day and night.
Peter Janssen
I just visited Family at Mawson, and I experienced an absolutely shitty evening of hours of droning space cadets there - awful! Doubt any peace seekers want to elope there!
I am licensed to fly, but am not happy with what I see going on at Parafield, a mass licence ‘sausage’ factory, where they apparently can get a monkey a licence, given time, according to Flight Training Adelaide Pinn Ear. Their CEO Keith Morgan also knows how to fly under the radar, great cover up…
About night flying, for the instrument training, most can be done by day & is safer. Night flying around Parafield is a joke - there are lit golden bridges, Hollywood billboards & a well lit highway guiding you where to go and turn to find the lit runway in the big 'black box.'
I wouldn’t use airliners training their rookies at Parafield!
Good Luck, hopefully it’ll be nicer if I visit again
Hope this helps:
http://www.tradeleaks.com/leak/929/
And good luck for Julian.
These cover-ups, along with horrid thoroughfares are all preventable. Large areas of our Cities have become ugly congested and polluted places, thanks to mediocre planning and aggressive lobbying by self-interested minority groups. Media in South Australia largely pro transport, as they are a main source of advertising revenue. Aviation ‘editorials’ are more like advertorials glamorising the jetset. Its considerably irresponsible biased and arrogant pertaining to Adelaide’s main airport. That should have been moved out over 20 years ago!
How’s that Master Plan going, they ground you down yet and slip it through for approval yet?
You realise that State & Federal hollowmen know all this and keep it from being properly and objectively measured or monitored? Its the old ‘no evidence no problem’ trick, (refined by the arseholes of lawyers). I hear that 200-300 overflights are occurring at night almost daily lately over there - flying exactly the same flight path, over exactly the same homes. I bet nobody, only the FTA operators and the unfortunate residents they pollute would really ‘appreciate’ what sort of mental assault this actually is.
I also read that Airservices & aviation cronies are again trying to cloud their own ‘group think’ reinforcing that complaint statistics are coming from a ‘small’ group. Fact is after 20 years most give up! Flying low over the exact same homes gives also a false impression of what is really going on.
What an obvious systematic load of corrupt croc this is. 1-6 individuals, foreigners at that, contribute nothing, causing so much misery to so many, year after year after year. Then again, this country has always been about the richer few screwing over the less fortunate – always.
Maybe China has more National pride in themselves and should be made more aware of the misery they cause here. Flight Training Group is registered and owned by CHINA. Its CEO Keith Morgan was trained by AUSTRALIAN tax payers’ money to train our RAAF. He knows how to run operations undetected by our current radar systems. He drove communities around Parafield insane with continuous operations of to 14 hours per day, (that’s ~2000 overflights)! His attitude was to maximise the growth of his rotten business, and is rewarded with promotions and trips to Honkers.
To summize: taxpayer funds were invested and eventually used to harm Australians, while benefitting foreign interests. It still continues, I bet FTA are on a peppercorn rent of sorts. Anybody know what rent FTA pay? Seems not only un-Constitutional bur reeks of treason. ‘Our’ Dept of trade even gave FTA an export prize, how jolly, - another insensitive insult for the local residents they pollute.
Flight Training Group still operate unmonitored circuits, everybody in aviation know this, except our MP’s which are not told this. MP’s are proudly informed about the heavily tax funded Webtrack system, but that doesn’t monitor low flying flight training operations, which constitute ~99% of all complaints about Parafield.
Its so obvious, like the horror roads going through the place that are getting worse by the day – where the pollution is also not measured!
I hear now the famed Ombudsman with maybe a rep from a MP may attend those Parafield Airport Community Consultation Crapfests (PACCC). They are run by and for the airport, and certainly not independent. They are Chaired by the same bloke who is the airports’ environmental consultant. He is not only is responsible for the nebulous noise modelling spread, but models that 400,000, or more movements per year over housing as if that is acceptable! Should bloody crazy in anybody’s book, don’t need schooling to know that!
On the face of it, the incompetence of any public representation out there is absolutely amazing.
If anybody wants to email me please write to:
stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com
and refer it for 'Ardtje'
Hope your area returns to the peaceful place it used to be, but that would be expecting justice.
Yes Ardtje, seems akin to a corrupt fascist style odd hand-shake club .
Perhaps one should ask who funded their education (workers’ tax), pays their high salaries (ultimately workers’ margins/tax), and add Canberrians Southgate, our Federal Aviation Environmental Director, who does know more about the extra nuisance factor from droning propeller aircraft noise.
As for Parafield, Webtrak is useless for low flying aircraft with transponders off. Airservices and maybe Brent our Ombudsman probably don’t want to admit knowing what goes on at Parafield (& similar airports).
About Parafield Airport's Master Plan:
It seems Parafield Airport Limited have asked for more time to submit their plan. They probably are working hard trying to cover up the obvious adverse effects of their preposterous proposed 400,000 movements over residential areas.
Most of the area West, (where most unessential night training flights are done), was settled ~1960’s. That was +20 years before mass flight training was imposed WITH NO community ‘conn-sultation.’. The continuous horrid noise has never been officially measured or recognised as a serious public health problem. Just as with connecting Salisbury directly to the Port, suffering residents are ignored. Both should NEVER have been permitted and are fine examples how the corrupt filth disregard hard working communities that made them wealthy. Much of that scum in power are retiring on hefty pensions, those taking their place prefer to stay ‘ignorant,’ thinking the situation as ‘normal’ and irreversible. This is NOT SO.
We urge people to stand up for themselves, and their locality.
Watch out for the Parafield Airports master plan - they want to get ~400,000 aircraft movements ok’d again. There is no longer, nor has been for over 10years, any vacant area around Parafield where this is acceptable. Any fool would know that. Residents first, not foreign students flying convenience! Study here, fly somewhere like uninhabited desert! Virgin flyers over our homes, bloody crazy. When they wipe a family out, the foreign business will disappear in a Hong Kong black hole. As usual, the poorer survivors will be screwed for compensation.
Here is indeed a Deadly Maroon (as in this UK article's comment):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392077/Plane-flies-250km-pilot-blacks-controls-nearly-AN-HOUR.html
The aircraft was no 'Giggl,' especially if junior pilot crashed into a home!
The actual FTA's VHYTF as in this News Corp Adelaide Now link:
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/unconscious-trainee-pilots-plane-flew-itself-into-south-australia/story-e6frea6u-1226064791535
Notice how the 'F' is nearly impossible to see. This 'camouflaging' technique to make FTA's training aircraft registration numbers not visible has been complained about for many years. Not only do they operate in uncontrolled urban airspace, they are not tracked, monitored, measured, or identifiable from those they extensively pollute! Airservices refuse to report anything without the complete registration numbers, CASA does nothing much, yet they still are permitted to fly and get lost like this!
Another Australian News paper link from QLD on the same story:
http://www.couriermail.com.au/travel/news/trainee-pilot-blacks-out-for-55-minutes-at-controls-transport-safety-bureau-report/story-e6freqwo-1226064819094
We know that critical comments were submitted to Australian papers, but none were published in Australian papers, probably because the pilot was from a Chinese Flying school. News Corp hardly ever prints anything critical of China because News Corp/Murdoch wants to curry favor to grow their media enterprise there.
your page displays poorly. if you have a noise complaint about a plane email the details with your name to neu@airservicesaustralia.com. without complaints to the right people why would anything change.
G'day,
Gr8 boglinx - samol samol shit differnt place just th way us fatcats all ova th world wannit m8.. Fk u ordinary foks
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001365046267
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtZ_7RVNm9I&feature=related
Yep, same ol same ol alright!
Every minute of sunshine, fukn planes & helicopters buzzing Salisbury from Parafield, every minute, every 5minutes, then flyovers every 20 seconds! All day & last thursday night they buzzed till 11:25PM! Almost ALL are from FTA from the Chinese Flight Training Group & their fukn diamond DA42 aircraft mechanics that fly UNDER 500 feet!!
Airservices do fuk all as usual & are too annoying to call - it takes too long & their shitty jingle pisses most pissed off complainers off - just what they want.
Julia Gillard & that Makin Zappia FW know about the noise problem but wont 'move the airport' - probably meaning they, along with Rann wont do anything. (News Review p4 May25 2011). They cant even be bothered monitoring what is really going on.
Butler's 'Port Adelaide' office handballs it a Julie Duncan who virtually achieved no change in years. The airports 'Community Consultation committee is still chaired by an aviation stooge - Russel Synnot. The 'duno how he was' appointed aviation Ombudsman is fukn useless.
Now after all that 'effort' by Duncan Parafield Garden's constituents may get moved from Port Adelaide's electorate to Makin, probably another step to achieving nothing for us residents!
Reading this blog suggests Australians have little rights when a foreign aviation want to make money. Not being able to live in your own home, or entire suburb is a big deal in most other places, and wont be tolerated.
Your run by a bunch of fukn arseholes - and to think of the sacrifices made for 'peace' here - it makes me even more sick. When is the health Dept going to have an input?
Wonder if Isobel Redmond would do anything different - at least sack the entire State transport Dept because Salisbury highway shit is just as bad, also not measured & kills every year!
Get yourself & assets out of Adelaide. I left SA because of that. Much of Adelaide's amenity is sold out & largely ruined by aviation. Salisbury working people are not worthy of the sham Govt there, while their homes are devalued so others live well. I often called Rann's office and was treated as a joke. Perhaps you should add Zappia to the pissusoff list, haven't heard him say much of severe Salisbury pollution while he was Mayor! There are some ignorant or corrupt morons in the Salisbury Council too!
Hope things improve for you.
Flighttrainingadelaide Inconsiderate R Soles
For nearly 3 hours some inconsiderate Flight training Adelaide helicockhed has been flying a helicopter in circles around our neighbourhood..
ANYBODY STUDYING FOR THE YEAR 12 FINAL EXAMINATIONS?
You may flunk by one mark, changing the course of your future because a likely foreign shithed learns to fly while buzzing & distracting your mind trying to cram as much as possible !
THE CANBERRA COCKEADS ALLOW & ENCOURAGE THIS !!
Airservices Australia tell our elected representatives there is no problem, because they don't measure the noise, or enforce training aircraft to have transponders active to measure it. This is not new - shame sham shame Southgate...
Meanwhile, here evidence depicting the moronic behaviour of these inconsiderate flying chimps who are subsidised to fly over our homes day and night. Our taxes at work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC38XsyHHZo
Circuit training is best suited to a simulator and if your aircraft is so low over my house which is located at least 5 miles crosswind of the runway then as a student you have failed being less than 500 ft above my house would see you forced into the paddock they call it lowest safe altitude for a reason and constantly its broken here .as for the instructors teaching these students i say to you to go back and revise your engine management technique as going from full power to idle as often as you do is making me very nervous as i know your students and i am without a doubt certain you will kill not only yourselfs but residents of this area.general aviation is often a responsible community of people often very experienced so i would think you would consider adjusting to suit the concerns of your neighbours before your industry shrinks into extinction
Hi world,
Parafield's Master Plan scam will be knobbing up again, and some Airservices legislation is proposed, but after this morning's racket, below is something obvious to change, but hasn't. I've put it to Airservices in the form of a complaint on behalf of SPAN. I believe it is not a new issue, but am keen to witness how it might be ignored, again.
Noise Complaint Details
Complaint submitted at: 14-Nov-2011 1:05 PM
Given Name:
Surname: Sappia
stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com
Date of Concern: 14-Nov-2011
Time of Concern: 12:57 PM
Type of Call: Complaint
Comment: We would like to complain about the lack for independence in the Parafield Airport 'Community' Consultation Committee (PACC). As the publics' sole point of contact will you take action on this? Being run by Parafield Airport Management, it is Chaired by Russell Synnot, the Parafield Airport's highly paid Environmental Consultant. Russell prepares figures maximising the airports capacity, with aircraft noise survey contour plots over our residential area manipulated in a manner that it is 'conditionally acceptable' for housing, without clarification how, or including the noisiest aircraft used at Parafield in the models fleet mix while proposing +400,000 aircraft movements per year as acceptable!! Historic & current volumes of noise pollution NOT backed up with actual noise measurements during typical 100/hour flight training operations. Synnot also chooses who can be on the PACC committee. There is NO representation for residents afflicted by relentless flight training pollution. This situation is not independent and not in the spirit of the Australian Aviation Act.
To be contacted: Yes
Escape the buzz to the beach, think again. This is not new.
Eye sore another piece if aviation PR rubbish promoting flight training courses at Parafield, in the local rag. Its disguised as shark patrol and before you know it, it our beaches could get buzzed every few minutes, with our Govt providing the funding!
Want to know what professional pilots think:
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-aviation-questions/161970-funding-shark-patrols-let-debate-begin.html
Dr Shar, you hit a key.
I am dismayed. While cuts are made in childcare, resources are available for frivolous flying lessons that pollute people's homes.
UniSA has financial interests in Parafield Airport. They may contract flight training to FTA, a foreign owned entity that has little regard who they fly over.
Shark patrol is a popularist cover for flight training with helicopters over visually attractive civilian areas. This practice is expensive, may have an emotive appeal disproportionate to actual effectiveness and annoyance. It leaves argument supporting flyovers every five minutes, which is a nuisance. It should not be supported from the public purse. Current technologies renders this practice unwarranted.
Shark patrol can be done in conjunction with UniSA's unmanned aircraft projects. Funds would help develop real engineering talent, skills & aerospace capabilities. DSTO also shares interests in this field.
When will leaders wake up to aviation spin?
Complaint sample, not the 100 per hour at night, but proof it is almost always FTA shit that sickens us too - Pilka from FB:
Noise Complaint Details
Complaint submitted at: 22-Nov-2011 11:02 PM
Given Name:
Surname: Rotten
Street: Corrupt Aviation
Suburb: Salisbury
State: SA
Home Phone:
Work Phone:
Mobile Phone:
Fax Number:
Email Address: stopparafieldairnoise@hotmail.com
Date of Concern: 21-Nov-2011
Time of Concern: 11:10 PM
Type of Call: Complaint
Comment: On the 21 October the noise pollution from Flight Training Adelaide once again forced people to leave their homes in Salisbury. FTA's pilots were flying at or below 500 feet, possibly not visible from Adelaide Airport radar if they have their transponders switched to standby. This behaviour has been going on for over 30 years! It also disables them to be tracked by Webtrac. Flight Training Adelaide repetitively fly at full power over the same homes upto 5Km from Parafield airport, particularly polluting Salisbuty Downs, Mawson Lakes & Parafield Gardens where they perform low flying powered turns. We wish to register a complaint for each of these disturbing events that should not be done over residential housing: Time: 0904 Aircraft Registration number: VHYBT Flight Training Adelaide Noise Pollution: ~90dB ! Time: 0908 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~95dB ! Time: 0912 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~90dB Time: 0916 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~87dB Time: 0920 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~85dB Time: 0921 Aircraft Reg#: ? FTA Pollution: ~83dB ! Time: 0937 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~82dB Time: 0941 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~82dB Time: 0941 Aircraft Reg#: Helicopter - FTA Pollution: ~88dB ! Time: 0944 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~84dB Time: 0945 Aircraft Reg#: VHYTF FTA Pollution: ~80dB Time: 0946 Aircraft Reg#: ? FTA Pollution: ~80dB ! Time: 0947 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~84dB Time: 0951 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~84dB Time: 0952 Aircraft Reg#: VHTGT FTA Pollution: ~80dB Time: 0956 Aircraft Reg#: VHYBT FTA Pollution: ~84dB Time: 1017 Aircraft Reg#: Helicopter - FTA Pollution: ~90dB ! It was was no longer tolerable to be in the area. A similar 'sortie' of Flight Training Adelaide pollution occurred at 2PM. They continued to come in after 6PM. This is truly sickening and should not be sanctioned over housing.
To be contacted: Yes
This letter excerpt may show how Australian & other Governments still do not measure flight training noise:
"Our understanding is that the official method of aircraft noise measurement in Australia requires aircraft transponders to be fully operational for an aircraft & noise event to be correlated as a valid measurement.
Of course, it is presumed the noise measuring equipment needs to be placed where aircraft noise is a problem.
As mentioned many times before, FTA during circuit training operations leave their transponders in 'standby' mode, disabling a noise event to be correlated for measurement,
And, the location of the noise monitoring equipment used for the Parafield aircraft noise report was in the quietest coasting part of the flight training circuit where the flight path can fan out to its widest.
Capturing only a few percent from tens of thousands of movements, it is little wonder the Airservices Parafield Noise Report was not well received by the public. We believe it was a considerable waste of taxpayer money delivering nothing of meaningful consequence. Those responsible ought to be embarrassed, people continue living in misery because of that.
The question also posed many times before, is it mandatory that during all flight training operations, aircraft transponders are fully operational? A yes or no answer would be a fine start. But there is more:
We understand that the location of an aircraft is also required to correlate an aircraft noise event for noise monitoring purposes. This means that at Parafield, the aircraft needs to be reliably 'seen' by Adelaide Airport's radar near Glenelg, located about 30Km away. Then, several (is it 6?) samples of noise (above a set threshold), aircraft location (from Adelaide radar), with the aircraft identity (from the aircraft's transponder) is made, correlated then accepted as a valid recorded aircraft noise event. I presume for the noise event to be meaningful, all samples must be made must be made under a second or two. To be sure, how long does it actually take to measure a valid aircraft noise event?
Can small flight training aircraft, flying at an altitude of 500 feet, north west of Parafield be RELIABLY tracked from Adelaide Airport's radar? Good reliability would be essential tracking thousands of noise events. Any 'glitch' will disqualify potential correlations.
We realise, as with ANEF modelling, there are many loopholes that can be abused to not record actual aircraft noise pollution. We also know that K Morgan, FTA's CEO & was its chief instructor, was RAAF trained, knows avoiding detection, and would know the answers to the above questions."
Hope it helps.
Thet ahrs is an abselute arrogent fescist style pig thet wouldn't giv a fuk about residents as long he gets what he wants as a khent werking for China.
Copping relentless 'light' aircraft noise & your 'Authorites" entrusted to care for you dont measure it? Well,
Here are four elements essential for proper objective aircraft noise measurement to current Australian Standards:
1) Transponder status for aircraft ID must be operational,
2) Aircraft height, must be high enough for ATC detection in Glenelg,
3) Noise monitor location must be under actual flight path during operations, (Airservices has refused offers for such sites)
4) Effective noise sampling time 'window', must be adequately fast to capture a fast low flying aircraft.
Airservices Australia KNOW:
1) - FTA have transponders off during circuits
2) - FTA flies at 500feet & ATC radar is at or over the horizon +30 kilometres away
3) - noise monitors were put where the circuit path its quietest & widest
4) - about 6 measurements & aircraft correlations need to be made for measurement, a fast low flying buztard may be gone by then, avoiding Airservices measurement.
FTA's CEO at the time Keith Morgan was RAAF trained & knows how to fly under the radar! Our taxes at work, yet again!
"Our' dumass 'leaders' make out they dont know this, 'coz they dont ask - so we post it. Hope you all have a nice buzfree day...
2012, same shit different year! Wonder if out PM Julia buzzed all day during her visit? I want to share this letter so time round, if nothing changes, the future can see all those eating public money to achieve nothing! It invites to forward to anybody interested:
Subject: Parafield Racket, with samples Complaints & accountabilities
https://sites.google.com/site/parafieldairport/Home/residents-story--mismanagement/Letter%20pleading%20to%20authorities%20-%20February22%20Anno2012.txt?attredirects=0&d=1
If ya have trubl wit Lens link, try this
https://sites.google.com/site/parafieldairport/Home/residents-story--mismanagement/Letter%20pleading%20to%20authorities%20-%20February22%20Anno2012.txt
Y'think th wankers approving this sht know betta. Insted they go along with the cover-up. I c they still trying to screw Fraser Coast, and our South Coast - Aldinga!
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